Healthcare organizations are always looking for ways to increase efficiency and profitability, while still delivering high-quality care and a great patient experience. In this informative webinar, Frank Cohen, Director of Analytics and Business Intelligence for Doctors Management, shares how Lean Six Sigma methodologies can help identify opportunities to reduce waste, boost productivity and drive improvement in your practice.
We also hear from Gaynor Rosenstein, Chief Clinical Operations Officer at Crystal Run Healthcare, a large multi-specialty group practice based in Middletown, N.Y., who shares how the organization has used Lean and Six Sigma principles to achieve its goals.
Attendees will learn:
- Why Lean Six Sigma principles are a good fit for healthcare organizations
- How to get started implementing Lean Six Sigma in your own organization
- How to identify “low-hanging fruit” for initial projects
- How technology systems can help improve efficiency and reduce waste
Lean Six Sigma Webinar Transcript
Maureen M.: 00:00 Hello, everyone. Thank you for attending today’s webinar, Lean Six Sigma: Driving Improvement In Your Healthcare Organization. I’m Maureen McKinney, the content director at Phreesia, and I’ll be your moderator for this webinar.
Maureen M.: 00:12 We chose today’s topic because we know so many of you are looking for ways to be more efficient and drive improvement in your organizations, while also enhancing quality in the patient experience. No easy task. To help you get there, we are so fortunate to have with us two great speakers, who will share their insights and personal experiences with process improvement.
Maureen M.: 00:34 First, we have Frank Cohen, Director Analytics and Business Intelligence for Doctor’s Management, a healthcare consulting firm. Frank is an expert in applied statistics, predictive analytics, and process improvement strategies. He has a master black belt in Lean Six Sigma, and he’s the author and co-author of several books, including Lean Six Sigma For the Medical Practice: Improving Profitability By Improving Processes.
Maureen M.: 01:00 Next, we’ll get some valuable first-hand experience from Gaynor Rosenstein. Gaynor is the Chief Clinical Operations Officer at Crystal Run Healthcare, a large multi-specialty group practice in New York State. Gaynor has held many senior administrative roles in healthcare organizations and is also a certified Six Sigma black belt.
Maureen M.: 01:19 Before we turn the floor over to Frank, I’d like to review a few housekeeping items. Today’s webinar is scheduled for one hour, including time for Q and A at the end of the session. At the bottom of your audience console, you’ll see several applications widgets. You can submit questions at any time, using the Q and A widget, and I’ll ask as many questions as time allows.
Maureen M.: 01:41 In the resource list widget, which looks like a green folder at the bottom of your screen, you’ll find slides from today’s presentation, along with an overview of Phreesia, and one of our recent infographics about efficiency killers in healthcare organizations. You can expand your side area by clicking on the maximize icon on the top right of the slide area, or by dragging the bottom right corner.
Maureen M.: 02:04 If you have any technical difficulties, please click on the help widget. It has a question mark icon and covers common technical issues. Since it’s always one of the most frequently asked questions, this session is being recorded and we will share a copy of the recorded presentation by the end of the week. We’ll be live tweeting highlights from today’s webinar, so be sure to follow Phreesia on Twitter, @Phreesia. If your practice is active on social media, you can retweet our updates and we encourage you to share your own post about what you hear today, using #phreesiawebinars.
Maureen M.: 02:38 A quick word about Phreesia. Phreesia gives healthcare organizations a suite of applications to manage the patient intake process. Our innovative [inaudible 00:02:47] platform engages patients in their care and provides a modern, consistent experience, while enabling our clients to maximize profitability, optimize staffing, and enhance clinical care. To find out more about Phreesia, visit Phreesia.com.
Maureen M.: 03:01 With that, I will turn it over to Frank Cohen. Frank?
Frank Cohen: 03:06 Thank you. Thank you very much.
Frank Cohen: 03:08 My name is Frank Cohen, and as the introduction goes, I am a specialist in what’s called computational mathematics, which includes applied statistics and predictive modeling. As part of that, I do great deal of work in the area of process improvement, operational research, and the like. And I’ve got to tell you, I’m very excited about talking about this today. The big reason is because we’ve got this whole push towards value-based care, away from fee for service type models. Value-based care says we have to do our best to take care of our patients in the most effective way that we possibly can, and as efficiently as we can. As everybody knows, there’s going to be less dollars to go around.
Six Sigma in Healthcare
Frank Cohen: 03:53 I would start by asking you this question: what would you say is the primary responsibility of a healthcare organization? Just think about it for a second. What’s the number reason would you think the main goal or objective to what we do in practicing medicine? When I asked this at a conference, and I can see people, and they raise their hands, the majority of people will say it’s to provide quality care to our patient population.
Frank Cohen: 04:23 While I think that’s important, I’m going to say that I think the primary responsibility is to be profitable. If you’re not profitable, unless you’re the federal government, you can operate at a deficit for only so long before eventually you just go out of business. How do we increase our profitability within a practice, or at least maintain enough of a profitability so that we’re able to meet the requirements for providing quality healthcare?
Frank Cohen: 04:58 One thing we can do, is we can take a look at improving profitability by either improving our revenue, generating additional revenue, or by reducing our expenses. If you’re in financial parts of your practice at all, or management, you know that this is the basic concept behind profitability. It’s a ratio of revenue to expenses. We have to increase revenue, we have to decrease expenses. How do we do that? Let’s talk about that.
Frank Cohen: 05:32 For reducing expenses, we could cut staff pay and benefits. Raise your hands if you’re okay with that. Right? I can’t see you, but I can’t imagine anybody has raised their hands. What happens if you lower staff compensation below market value? People leave. They quit, they go to find new jobs. When you have a high staff turnover because of that, what does that do to the quality of the continuity care? It reduces the continuity of care. When you reduce continuity of care, you also reduce quality of care.
Frank Cohen: 06:10 We can also eliminate FTEs. Great example, we had a practice we were doing a project for. What they did before we came in was, they had five coders and they all had to code, I think it was 90 encounters a day, or something like that. When right before we came in, they eliminated two of them. Now, they had three coders who had to code the same number of encounters as five coders did before that. Well, what happens? What we did, as part of a Lean Six Sigma project, we did a time assessment. What we looked at was a time scale.
Frank Cohen: 06:48 In the first half of a day, they coded the same number of encounters, the three of them, each coded the same number of encounters as they coded when there was still five of them. Come the afternoon and the crunch was on, they started coding more, and more, and more, until they were basically stumbling over each other, trying to code so many encounters during that time. The result was that the error rate increased.
Frank Cohen: 07:15 When they would get denials, do denial analysis, they would find out that these codes were being denied because they were coding them improperly. They weren’t providing the proper documentation or they weren’t coding them based on the documentation they were getting because they didn’t have the time to do so. The result was, is that the cost of the errors was more than the cost of those two FTEs. Bringing those two people back provided them with a more efficiency and more accuracy overall.
Frank Cohen: 07:45 You can also pinch capacity. You can try to restrict, I guess, the number of patients that you see, the services that you provide, but we’re still in a fee for service market. If you do that, you’re simply going to cut your nose off to spite your face.
Frank Cohen: 08:00 Reduce overhead. I haven’t met a practice administrator, probably in the last five years, who has any overhead left to cut. I think that we’re pretty much down to the basic amount that we can be. The bottom line is, quality is expensive. If you reduce your expenses below the point of where you can afford quality care, then you’re going to end up going out of business, anyway.
Frank Cohen: 08:25 We could increase revenues, right? We could increase our charges. This amazes me. Have you noticed healthcare is the only industry, I think in the whole world, where what you charge has absolutely nothing to do with what you earn, what your income is. I think that’s amazing, right? I’ve been in this industry for 40 years. I’m an old guy. I’ve got to tell you, I still sit in amazement that charges have almost nothing to do with reimbursement.
Frank Cohen: 08:57 You can increase collections, and that’s pretty hard to do, also. The payers have a natural animous towards providers. I don’t care what they say. Maybe I’ve done this long enough to be cynical enough to see the fact, but the payers … look, our primary purpose, not our responsibility, but our purpose is to get paid reasonably for providing quality healthcare to our patients. The payer’s primary goal is to not pay us for providing quality care to their subscribers. So, it’s very difficult to increase collections.
Frank Cohen: 09:35 You could negotiate better contracts. People go out and do that, but there’s a point at which you can’t negotiate any better contracts, because the payers also have a limit as to where they’re willing to go. What a lot of people are doing is, they’re merging into larger groups. When you merge into larger groups, you can share certain expenses. This is, by the way, a form of Lean Six Sigma. There are projects that are designed in order to do this where you share administration, you share billing services, you share infrastructure and hardware, and there can be certain efficiencies in that. The bottom line, though, is that the practice has very little influence over those payments, and therefore, over the revenues.
Frank Cohen: 10:12 If we can only marginally affect expenses, and there’s not really much we can do on revenue, how do we improve profitability? Well, we have to become more efficient. To become more efficient, what we’re basically is that we want to do the same that we’re doing now, with less resources, or we want to be able to do more with the same amount of resources.
Frank Cohen: 10:39 I had a radiology group, we did a couple of projects for them, and we significantly increased their efficiency. What they decided, was they just wanted to work less, basically. They didn’t want to make more money. They just wanted to work less. They worked less and they still made the same amount. Their revenues were still basically the same and their compensation was the same, as a result of that.
Implementing Six Sigma in Healthcare
Frank Cohen: 11:04 The only way to become more efficient … or, maybe shouldn’t say the only way. The best way that I know of to become more efficient is to employ Lean Six Sigma projects or techniques. As you might guess, Lean Six Sigma is a composite. It comes from two basic components, or two paradigms. Six Sigma is a very robust, but very top heavy … or, it’s got large footprint. Implementing Six Sigma projects usually take many months or years. They involve large numbers of team members. They’re very expensive. I’m just going to tell you my experience. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Six Sigma project succeed in a smaller organization.
Six Sigma vs. Lean Principles
Frank Cohen: 11:57 Granted, in large hospital systems or integrated delivery systems, I’ve seen lots of Six Sigma projects work. In smaller practices or departments, implementing Six Sigma doesn’t seem to work as well. It is very focused on the analytics and statistics, great deal of rigor in that area. Lean, on the other hand, does not rely as much on the statistical and analytical rigor. What it does, it looks more at the process model. What are we doing and how are we doing it? What steps are we taking and how can we minimize some of the functions and procedures that we go through on a daily basis, in order to do our jobs?
Frank Cohen: 12:36 Now Lean, the whole concept is to get right of waste. Waste is defined as anything that doesn’t contribute to either the value of the services being provided to the patient or of the employees of the organization. If there’s no value that can be found in a certain step, or a procedure, or a process, or a function, then unless it’s required by law, or regulation, or policy, we get rid of it, is basically what it is.
Frank Cohen: 13:06 Lean Six Sigma is this continuum. I happen to be a fan of really focusing on, or at least relying upon, analytics to a great degree in the Lean process. Look, number one, we have to define the problem. Oftentimes, without numbers, we can’t do. I’ll give you an example. If I were to ask you right now, “How many of you have patients that are late?”
Frank Cohen: 13:32 I assume everyone just about would raise their hands. I would ask you this question, “Is that a problem for you?”
Frank Cohen: 13:38 Most people will say yes. I’ve done this where I can see the audience. The question is, define for me “late.” How many minutes after what? Is it when they were scheduled? Is it after 15 minutes before the scheduled time? How do you define late? Then, I would ask you this, “Based on that definition, how many of you right now, if I asked you in a poll, could tell me what percentage of your patients are late every month?”
Frank Cohen: 14:10 I can tell you again, just from doing this live, very few people could report that. My question is, how do you know it’s a problem? If you don’t know how late people are, and you don’t know what percentage of people are late? We say that because it’s anecdotal. It makes sense, doesn’t it? It’s logical that if people don’t show up on time for their appointments, that would be problematic. But, maybe it’s not problematic in this particular practice. I believe we have to employ strong and robust analytics, even in the Lean side of it, in order for things to happen. I’ll show you what I mean in just a minute.
Frank Cohen: 14:47 The reason we want to have this problem, or this process, focused is so that primarily, we can understand how things work. We can take a look at the practice and we can look at all the different aspects of it, and we can start to understand better what the processes are, what the steps are in each of those processes. We want to be able to see it from start to finish. You know what happens a lot of times, is we’ll go into a practice and we’ll say, “Oh, let’s go ahead and start process mapping this out.”
Frank Cohen: 15:18 I’ll get into that in just a minute. And, what people will do is, they will develop a map of how they think it should be. Right? Because they know there’s problems. It’s really amazing. I’ll go to a conference and I’ll have 1000 people in the room, and I’ll ask this question, “How many of you right now, if I give you a piece of paper, could write down at least three or four major problems within your organization?”
Frank Cohen: 15:41 And everybody would raise their hand. So, write them down. Write down these three problems. Then my question would be, “If you know that it’s a problem, why is it still a problem?”
Frank Cohen: 15:50 If I could write down and tell you, for example in my business, the problem is that I don’t follow-up appropriately with my clients, and therefore, I lose the opportunity for repeat business. That’s crazy. If I write that down on a piece of paper, and I can see that’s my problem, why in the world haven’t I fixed that problem? A lot of times is because we don’t have this process focus. We don’t get to the root cause of things. Instead, what we do is, we blame people for messing up, rather than understanding the idea that maybe we don’t have the most efficient process that there is.
Frank Cohen: 16:21 There’s a combination of art and science in this. Lean, there’s a very artistic component to Lean. If you do projects correctly, they’re actually quite beautiful. Just like mathematics can be very beautiful at it’s core. There’s also the science part, which we’re going to talk about with regard to the analytics. Let’s start with idea of discovery.
Frank Cohen: 16:44 There’s three components we’ll talk about here. We’re talking about classification, correlation, and cause and effect. Those three associate to the first three, or the three most important, what I believe to be tools, which is process mapping, value stream mapping, and then doing fishbone diagrams, or cause and effect analysis.
Frank Cohen: 17:06 We start with this classification. What we’re trying to do, is just take a long around and see what things look like. How do people move? What redundant events do we see going on? Are there things that are being manually that can be automated? For example, this is one area where we find, a lot of times, that in areas where you have more sophisticated populations of patients, you can use kiosks instead of coming in and getting a clipboard, and everybody writing all that information down. It’s a pain to do it that way. That’s one thing that you can see … things you can see right away.
Frank Cohen: 17:41 Here’s an example. One time, whenever I do a project, I like to sit in the waiting room. Just hours, I’ll sit there for three, four, five, six hours, with a pencil and a piece of paper. I’m taking notes and I notice something. I notice that, particularly for new patients that were coming in, they get this whole big packet of information. They would get up and they would go to the desk several times, filling out the packet, and they would come back and sit down.
Frank Cohen: 18:05 Eventually, I went up to the desk and I asked this guy who was behind the desk, in the intake part of it, and I said, “I see all these people coming up, asking questions. What are they asking?”
Frank Cohen: 18:16 He said, “Well, a lot of them, they don’t understand the financial forms. They want us to clarify for them.”
Frank Cohen: 18:22 Some of them, they can’t see … they can’t read what it says. Why is that? Well, it’s an older population and they forget their reading glasses. It was really quite amazing. I got up, I went to a Sam’s Club, they had one down the street, and I bought 20 pairs of reading glasses in different strengths, and a really nice little basket. I put the basket on the counter. There was a little sign that said, “Need reading glasses?”
Frank Cohen: 18:48 Of course, we made the print, the wording, very big so the people who didn’t have glasses even could read it. Reading glasses, take one. It was amazing. We cut what we believe, and we measured, about seven minutes off the time it took for someone to do an intake for a new patient visit, just by observing what went on within the waiting room.
Frank Cohen: 19:11 Another example was, we had a case where … this was in Florida, elderly patients. A normal adult will walk at somewhere around 5.2 to 5.6 feet per second. Where an older person, or somebody who may have some debilitation, walks down towards the 2.6 to 2.8 feet per second range. What we noticed was that all the physicians’ offices were up in the front of this big U-shaped building and the treatment rooms were in the back.
Frank Cohen: 19:38 They had to take the patients and walk them all the way to the back to the treatment rooms. We estimated that it cost a little over two minutes per patient visit. When you have several hundred patient visits a day, that’s the equivalent of seeing an additional eight or ten patients a day. What we did was, we rearranged the building, moved the offices around, and were able to solve that problem. We want to look and see what things look like. That’s what process mapping is about.
Frank Cohen: 20:04 I mapped the process. The patient checks in. If it’s a new patient, for example, they have to do intake forms. If it’s not, excuse me, then it’s a doctor’s visit. Is there a visit check-in? No? Then, maybe they just have to go to the lab or something. Whatever the process might be. Same thing here. This is for a lab study itself.
Frank Cohen: 20:28 We map out the process, which simply identifies each of the individual steps in the entire process, as to what we’re doing now. A lot of times what people will do, is we’ll want to map the whole patient visit process. We want to do from when the patient walks in the door to when the patient leaves. What you have to know is, that within that, there are sub-processes.
Frank Cohen: 20:50 For example, this whole idea of check-in can be broken down into a sub-process. If you’re listening to me right now, and you work in the check-in or at the front desk, you know for a fact it’s not just one little bubble check-in, and that’s it. It is broken down into many parts. There’s insurance verification. Does the patient owe any money from the last visit? Is there a co-pay that has to be collected this time? Are there any particular issues? Are their demographics changed? Has their insurance policy changed? Just a whole host of things.
Frank Cohen: 21:23 Just be careful, when you do this, not to map too much. In this case, we’re just looking at an overview map. We don’t have time in this presentation, but we get into detailed map. In a patient visit cycle alone, the through put cycle, there can be a dozen different detailed processes that need to be looked at. Just keep that in mind as we go through this.
Frank Cohen: 21:47 The next thing we want to do is, we want to understand this concept of correlation. Correlation is actually a mathematical conclusion. Correlation uses a calculation, in order to determine how closely related certain events might be. For example, engine size versus gas mileage would be negatively correlated. The larger the engine, the less gas mileage I would get. That’s pretty easy to see, right?
Frank Cohen: 22:18 For example, I can tell you that the longer the time it takes for a new patient to get an appointment at the practice, the higher the number the no-shows. After a three week period, if it takes more than three weeks for a new patient to get in to see the doctor, then that no-show period is going to expand significantly. Those things are important to me.
Frank Cohen: 22:45 Now, the question is, does that time cause the no-show? Or, is there some other confounding variable involved in that? That’s something that we look at when we look at the cause and effect part of it. But, this is a part. Okay?
Frank Cohen: 23:07 I’ll give you an example. This is where we can actually save ourselves time and effort. I had a rural practice, I think it was out in Missouri, and it had got a new administrator. It was a dozen physicians, so it was a pretty good size. This new administrator was this … had an MBA or MHA, and had worked at a large practice in the city, and came with all these great ideas. The first thing that he wanted to do, was to take their intake process for new patients and move it to the internet. They spent a huge amount of money on a HIPPA certified, secured website, and all that. You could go online and fill out the intake forms online, and they were pushed through.
Frank Cohen: 23:55 The problem was, nobody was doing it. Maybe 30%, 20% of the patients. That’s not enough when you spend that kind of money. When we came in to look at doing some of the work for them, we did a survey. We found out that fewer than 50% of the patients is, I think it was 41%, had access to the internet. Of those, only half accessed it regularly. Obviously, this is many years ago and it was a rural area. But had they stopped and even thought about looking at some of those aspects, asking those questions in advance, they would have correlated those two items. Then they would have had a much better chance at saving that money.
Frank Cohen: 24:34 In building this correlation part, we want to also build inspection points. They’re actually kind of … excuse me, kind of interesting. Here’s where … an order from chemo, and then it says order printed from the Mosaic system. The codes are handwritten on the order to each drug. Pre-med solutions you move from Lynx. Lynx is one of their systems. It goes to the nurse before compounding. This is for chemotherapy, by the way. This is a big cancer center that we worked on.
Frank Cohen: 25:01 All items are placed in a basket and set on the counter. What the purpose of this is, we can look at what happens in each one of those individual steps. We want to be able to create contingency plans, in case things go wrong. We want everyone to be on the same page and have a better understanding. It’s not often, really, if you think about even from a management perspective, where we break things down to this level of granularity, and it’s really important to do so.
Frank Cohen: 25:28 Here’s an example of an INR clinic, where they’re doing anti-coagulant blood testing. And you can see, we added some numbers. For example, 30% of appointments are no-shows. Okay? We found out that 60% of people come by car and 40% by public transportation. One of the big problems is that the parking lot is full, so what do people do? They leave and they go home. Right? There may be waits of 15 to 30 minutes to get this done. Or, in the waiting area, once they’re in the waiting area, it could be an hour, hour and a half, that they have to wait for the results, to determine what the dosages are going to be.
Frank Cohen: 26:09 This is a situation where we found out that the biggest problem was transportation. Right? People either couldn’t park or they couldn’t afford it, or they had to take public transportation. It wasn’t overly reliable. Here’s what we did. First, we checked with the OIG, make sure this wasn’t incentivizing against our rules. What we did, we went to the cab company, local taxi company, and we said, “Hey, we want to make a deal with you. We want to arrange a set of concentric circles.”
Frank Cohen: 26:37 Here’s the hospital and we draw a circle three miles out. We draw another circle seven miles out, and we draw another circle 10 miles out. Most people were within a 10 mile radius of the facility. What we said was, “If they can’t make it in, we would call to verify the appointment. If they can’t, if they have problems with transportation, then you go pick them up and we’ll pay X amount of dollars for the three mile, X amount of dollars for the seven, X amount of dollars for the 10. We worked this deal out with the cab company.
Frank Cohen: 27:06 It cost us about $45000 the first year, but we lost $300000 years before in no-shows, the organization did. It was a tremendous boost for them. How did this happen? We just looked around. We just saw things and we said, “Hey, how come people aren’t showing up for these appointments?”
Frank Cohen: 27:24 The only way you’re going to know that is if you call them and ask them. So, we did. We did a survey of those folks and we came up with this information. Finally, we want to do this cause and effect relationship. We want to be able to link things together. I know you’ve heard this before, the typical, or the stereotypical example is, the rooster crows and the sun rises. You know? Does the rooster crowing cause the sun to rise or does the sun rising cause the rooster crow? Or, is there no relationship between them at all?
Frank Cohen: 27:54 For example, your payer mix changes. Maybe you lose a certain payer and the payer mix shifts, and you lose revenue at the same time. That may be correlated, but did the change in that payer mix cause that change in revenue, or were there other variables or confounding variables, involved?
Frank Cohen: 28:11 We talked about the length of time to appointment, right? Its longer and our no-shows increase. Does the length of time to appointment cause those no-shows? The way we find these things out, is by using teams. We get those subject matter experts, the people within the organization, who know the most about what’s going on. We get them together and we ask them those questions, and we try to determine it.
Frank Cohen: 28:34 Here’s a simple one. We have a long wait time for new patients, and we’re trying to figure out why is that happening? Well, is it a wave scheduling problem? Maybe we’re not doing phone triage. People call with really complex problems and we put them in the same 15 minute or 30 minute time slot as somebody who calls that doesn’t have complex problems. Maybe it’s the time of the visit. We tested that. We did an analysis, where we took one patient at the beginning of each hour, for a whole week, and then we did it for a month. We went across. We said, “Does the time of day have any relationship to being late?”
Frank Cohen: 29:09 And we found out, no, it didn’t. One of the big problems were unnecessary forms. They had an ABN, and in every one, people would read through it and sign it. I don’t even think that’s legal. You know? They also did manual insurance validation when people got there instead of ahead of time. They’re sitting on the phone for a long time, waiting to talk to the insurance company. We also thought, well, it’s because they’re elderly patients. You know? Well, that wasn’t the case. They would get there early.
Frank Cohen: 29:33 We found out that the forms and the intake packet was a big problem. What did we do? We tested a few different intake packages. We went through and we … for example, we went from the clipboard, because that’s a pain, right? The clipboard, you take the paper out, you’ve got to turn over, write on the back. By the time you get done, it’s a mess. We went to three ring binders. We found that saves several minutes of time, not just for people filling out the forms, but also for the check-in, the front office staff, not to have to go through and re-sort all that paper work. We also did it so that they could be scanned in, using scanners, and that saved significant amounts of time for those data that had to be transferred back into an electronic system.
Frank Cohen: 30:17 All right, here’s a more complex one. This is one where we had problems with nosocomial infections within an organization. We’re trying to figure out why. This is an interesting one, because I sat and observed, and everybody washed their hands. Right? All the time, they took off their gowns, they changed everything. Could not figure out, for the life of us, what was causing this. However, we did.
Frank Cohen: 30:41 What we ended up finding out the problem was the physicians, even though they scrubbed up, and wore masks, and changed gowns, when they went from one treatment room to another to see a patient, the stethoscope that they used, they never disinfected the diaphragm of the stethoscope. We actually cultured some of those diaphragms, and we found it was MRSA and VRSA on some of those diaphragms. That was one way that we were able to resolve the problem, by doing a cause and effect, and eliminating those things that weren’t true.
Frank Cohen: 31:15 Here’s how first level problem solving goes. We have a practical problem, practical solution. You have an employee that shows up late, and goes home early, and doesn’t do their work. You don’t need to go through a Lean Six Sigma process. Form a committee and decide what you’re going to do. The person’s either re-trained or gone. A mosquito lands on your arm. You don’t stop, take a picture, go to Google, do a look-up, find out what kind of mosquito it is. You swat it and you get rid of it. The house catches on fire, you don’t take time to determine the burn time on combustible materials. You run. Right?
Frank Cohen: 31:50 Most of the problems that we deal with are not that simple. What I am proposing in this presentation is that we take practical problems and we convert them to analytical problems first. Then, we find an analytical solution, like we’ve talked about here, and then we convert that to a practical solution.
Frank Cohen: 32:06 Like this, this is my life, except this is a few years old. Now, what you’ll find, is that the looking for things I had just a minute ago, tend to be a little bit farther into my sleeping part of it. I find that the eating cuts into my working a little bit, and it’s just a way for us to define what things look like, in a graphical sense.
Frank Cohen: 32:32 Takeaways, number one, lean is scalable. I don’t care if you’re one physician or a 1000 physicians, it works the same. One of the big ones is, think small. If you’re thinking of looking at doing a through-put analysis, start with just wait time. That’s it. Or, look at just the patient interview process, or just the insurance verification, or just the check-out process. If you’re thinking about looking at all your patients, just do one week’s worth of patients. Think small. If you go too big, and the project fails, you’re not going to want to do it in the future.
Frank Cohen: 33:04 Antidote, anecdote. Always include evidence-based decision modeling, which requires the use of data and evidence. Also, be sure to define the end of the projects. If you don’t do that, you’re going to end up two years from now, going, “Oh man, we’re still working on the same thing?”
Frank Cohen: 33:21 And also, think outside the box. What that means, primarily, is don’t be constrained to the same solutions you’ve used in the past. I think it was Albert Einstein says that, “We can use the same solutions we’ve used before with the same problems, and expect that they’re going to work.”
Frank Cohen: 33:36 Get creative. Get excited. Get together and talk about things that make no sense whatsoever. You would be surprised, sometimes, at how the wildest ideas turn out to be something positive. And, that’s my time. Thank you very much. I hope you enjoyed this and … moving on.
Maureen M.: 34:02 Thank you for a great presentation, Frank. Now, I will turn it over to Gaynor Rosenstein. Gaynor?
G. Rosenstein: 34:10 Hi, everyone. Thank you, Frank. That was great.
G. Rosenstein: 34:16 I’m the Chief Clinical Operations Officer here at Crystal Run Healthcare. We’re a multi-specialty physician practice in upstate New York. I’ve listed out just some facts about Crystal Run, just to give you some context, but we’re approximately … we’re over 400 providers. We have about 20 locations and we have full ambulatory services.
G. Rosenstein: 34:38 For us, I totally agree with Frank, with the differences between Six Sigma and Lean. I tend to consider Lean as the practical application of Six Sigma, and that’s really my … for operations and for really rapidly advance in improvement, I found Lean to be very, very useful.
G. Rosenstein: 34:56 Today, and just in the interest of time, I’m looking at hopefully getting through this in 10 minutes, so I’m not going through every detail of each slide. You will have these slides available to you. I want to talk about what we did with a building that we build in Newburgh, New York in 2015. We opened and this was a very innovative building that we used Lean design, to design both the physical space and the workflows that were necessary to change, in order to really meet our goals of having a much more lean environment, driving out waste, et cetera, et cetera.
G. Rosenstein: 35:36 This was really a practical application of a lot of Lean principles. It was also a very rapid process. We had … it was approximately, from beginning to end, the design phase of the building was approximately three months. This was very rapid. This is a 66000 square feet, two story building that houses approximately 40 specialties, and probably anything from 40 to 50 physicians at one time. Plus, we have endoscopy, infusion, urgent care, and diagnostic imaging and lab. That’s just to give you a picture of what this building is housing.
G. Rosenstein: 36:12 We wanted to do something different. We wanted to really build a building that was focused much more on flexibility, on the ability to really reduce wait time for patients, wasted time for staff, whether it’s in supply management, whether it’s in check-in, check-out, et cetera. We wanted it to be different, and honestly, we wanted to differentiate ourselves in the market.
G. Rosenstein: 36:38 In order to do this, we started out with focused teams. I’ve listed them out there, but these were really your teams that were looking specifically at their areas and their specialties, because they are different, and looking at how we can improve our workflows and our processes, and depending on that, how we would actually design a building to support that. The physical design turned out to be very, very critical in whether, or not these new workflows would work, or not.
G. Rosenstein: 37:09 Value stream mapping, Frank did talk about that a little bit. We did do this. We had our goals for redesign, and I’ve listed them all there. They were lofty goals. We had every single one of those teams go through an intense value stream mapping process, all the way from patients scheduling, all the way to the revenue. We did include the billing portion, we included the coding portion, and we included our call center. Crystal Run has their own call center and we included that portion of it as well, for the patient scheduling piece.
G. Rosenstein: 37:44 The things that we really focused on was driving out the waste, relating to wait time, improving efficiency in that. Patient satisfaction. Physician engagement is a real focus for us. Obviously, we are a medical practice, so that’s something that is a national issue. We want to do all that we can to improve that, and again, just listed out there.
G. Rosenstein: 38:06 The big thing for us was really to promote flexibility, so that we can be flexible with the types of specialties that can work in these spaces, and standardize wherever possible. And standard work was a huge goal for us across the board. We went through an intense 3P process, production, preparation, process, for those Lean folks among us. Basically what we did, we built cardboard mock-ups, full scale, of the new design. We were fortunate that we had a floor free in a 20000 foot floor space that we could utilize. I’ve listed out all the areas that we actually mocked up.
G. Rosenstein: 38:50 This was fun. I mean, this stuff was really fun. We had the architect sitting with the teams, and the teams were staff positions. Everybody who does the actual work was there. This was based on the work that they’d done in the value stream map, where they decided that we need to do things quite differently. This portion was to design the actual architectural floor plan and the space.
G. Rosenstein: 39:14 They build cardboard sinks, they built … it was very creative. We did a lot of role playing. I listed all the areas that we did this for, and the specialties. Urology actually was the only one that ended up having a very different space, because the procedure room needed to be bigger. Other than that, the architect actually sat with the team throughout the whole three-month process, and revised and modified the CAD drawings, and designed the space basically on the fly. This was, people were pushing out walls. They were bringing in … we work closely with Midmark, as well, and we would actually bring in equipment so that we could plan the space and make it efficient.
G. Rosenstein: 40:00 The things that we focused on, in terms of workflow redesign, and it’s absolutely true that designing the building was extremely fun, workflow redesign is rarely fun. It’s actually hard and especially when you have people who are … change is not easy. You know? Again, we are a physician practice and our workflows actually did impact pretty significantly our providers, our nursing staff, et cetera, et cetera.
G. Rosenstein: 40:33 The things that, the workflows that we completely redesigned, I’ve listed here. We did talk a little bit about insurance verification, things like that. It’s very, very important that we do a very rapid check-in. Phreesia has been a great help to us for that. We have kiosks that also run the Phreesia. We’re really looking at rapid check-in. We check people out in the room. The technology for that, we had to … we switched from … we removed all fee tickets, all of our charge entries real time, and we really pushed for real time charting on the EMR, et cetera, et cetera.
G. Rosenstein: 41:12 I do need to add, in terms of physician engagement, one of our big goals was to … we measured the amount of time that physicians were working at night, based on how long they were logged on for, and we did make a huge effort to reduce that. That was successful.
G. Rosenstein: 41:28 For example, we discharge all of our patients in the exam room. They do not wait on a check-out line. There was a lot of workflow redesign that needed to be done to make all these things happen. Where are we now? We’re 30 months in this particular building, in 2017, so over 200000 visits. They are now consistently, in 2018, seeing 1100 visits per day. We built two more buildings since then that we opened in 2016. They’re fully operational, in two different areas, and there’s been absolutely no change in design or workflow. That tells you, the fact that we didn’t change anything when we could have, that we didn’t regret the changes that we made in the Newburgh office.
G. Rosenstein: 42:14 The practice, as a whole, these three buildings are commonly known to everyone as the Lean buildings and the Lean sights. Our traditionally designed sights are commonly known as the Legacy buildings. This has become a part of our everyday language. They are … people like to work in them, providers like to work in them, and they’re quite different. The use of the Lean principles in how to build this building and change all the workflows were absolutely essential. I can certainly attest to that, that this was a very successful project for us. It was a little scary before we opened, but it was definitely … it paid off and it worked for us very, very nicely.
G. Rosenstein: 43:02 I could talk forever on this, but in the interest of time, I think my time is about up. So, Maureen, back to you.
Maureen M.: 43:11 That was great, Gaynor. Thank you so much for that, I think, very valuable firsthand perspective and insight for the audience.
Maureen M.: 43:19 The great news is, now after two really good presentations, we can begin the Q and A portion of our webinar. We’ve got some great questions coming in, but a reminder, you can submit questions at any time during this session using the Q and A widget on your screen that I talked about at the beginning of the webinar.
Maureen M.: 43:39 To start, Gaynor, you mentioned that this was a huge workflow change for your providers. How did you get buy-in from your clinical staff when you had these really significant workflow changes?
G. Rosenstein: 43:58 Really to focus on the overall long-term goals. We did an awful lot of including providers and staff in the design of the space. They were actually part of the value stream mapping process. This became their project, they were very, very engaged in it. People became very excited about it. And more, it was really because they were included from the ground up. Also, the use of data, I think that was a huge advantage. You’re actually measuring check-in time, check-out time, that kind of thing.
G. Rosenstein: 44:35 I would say the single most critical piece was very strong leadership, in the sense of really focusing on the vision of where we wanted to be, why we wanted to be there, why we want to differentiate, and how this can help us do that.
Maureen M.: 44:55 That’s great.
Maureen M.: 44:56 I just had a question from the audience come in that I think is a good follow-up to that. The audience question is, that it would be great to see a beginning to end patient encounter in one of your Lean buildings, but since we can’t see it, could you just briefly describe what that patient encounter looks like? I know it varies by specialty, but maybe just give us some ideas of how it’s a bit different?
G. Rosenstein: 45:18 Sure.
G. Rosenstein: 45:18 It’s essentially fairly vanilla across the specialties. Let’s take it from when a patient actually enters the building, someone who’s scheduled. They can either check-in at a centralized front desk. We don’t have de-centralized front desk areas. We have one common area. They will check in there, or they can check in at the kiosks. That’s another option. Either way, the nursing staff will be notified that they’ve arrived. They will be directed to a pulls area. We don’t have any waiting rooms in this building, there are basically chairs around the main hallways that are pulls areas.
G. Rosenstein: 45:57 The patient will go there, the staff within the suite … and you have to think in terms, it’s difficult to do this without looking at the design of the building. The staff in the suite are all working together in a centralized pot, in the offstage area. Around them are all the exam rooms, and all the exam rooms have two doors. The nursing assistant, or the LPN, or the nurse, or the RN, will go out and pull the patient into the room. Room the patient in the room, we have all the vitals in the room, the work station is in the room. We use a very, pretty sophisticated light system, so they can reserve the room using the lights when it’s time for the physician or the nurse practitioner, when it’s time for the provider.
G. Rosenstein: 46:42 They will start out rooming the patient. They will then notify by the light system that they’re ready for the doc, and then the doctor will go in. Everything can be charted in the room, every room has a work station and a printer. The key is that nobody has to walk very far to get anything, and it’s all very efficient. The light system will a provider who’s next and they can literally bounce from room, to room, to room, and it’s very efficient.
G. Rosenstein: 47:09 Once the provider’s done, the medical assistant or the nurse will go in and discharge the patient, and schedule their next appointment right while they’re in the room. Then, the patient leaves and goes home. It’s very, very … they love that. That’s very key. The physicians and nurses, and schedulers, and the support staff, because they’re actually all working together within the center of the suite. Again, they’re surrounded by the exam rooms. There’s no private offices. There are no private work spaces. That’s quite different.
G. Rosenstein: 47:47 It’s very difficult to picture it. Yeah.
Maureen M.: 47:52 Thanks for that overview. No, I think you did a really great job. I think it’s a really nice overview for everybody, and I think really helpful.
Maureen M.: 48:02 Frank, I’ve got lots of questions coming in for you, as well. Here’s one, I have a lot of possible projects in mind. How do I decide which one to pick first?
Frank Cohen: 48:17 Great question, because we run into that a lot. That really crosses two areas. The first is, what do you think is causing you the most pain? One of the ways you can do that is, you could start by process mapping out everything and then looking at the processes that are the most complex, or the ones that are the least complex. Like I told you, I always like to start small. Pick something that’s really easy to deal with or maybe easy to fix. There’s a couple of reasons for this.
Frank Cohen: 48:51 One of the questions that came to Ms. Gaynor was about getting buy-in from leadership. If you bite off a huge project, and it takes lots of time, and resources, and money, and it fails, no one’s ever going to let you do it again. Start with a small project, show small successes. You’ll start to get buy-in from leadership a lot better.
Frank Cohen: 49:12 One way is to start by mapping it and to look at which ones may be most easily solved by the staff. The other is, you want to include your subject matter experts. You want to include those team members that may have a better, or the best understanding, of what’s going on. I often find that the administrators know the least about what’s going on within their own organization.
Frank Cohen: 49:36 You want to know what’s going on in check-in? Don’t ask the administrator, ask the people in check-in. If you’re doing radiology and you want to know why it takes so long to turn around a room, don’t ask the administrator. Go talk to the people who have to turn the rooms around, or the transportation folks, or whatever. Make sure you’re talking to the right people and make sure you start with a broad map.
Maureen M.: 49:59 To build on that question, if … you’re thinking about the organizations that you’ve worked with, what are some examples of great low hanging fruit? You know, this really great contenders for Lean projects?
Frank Cohen: 50:13 Okay.
Frank Cohen: 50:14 Great low hanging fruit is patient through-put. The check-in process, again, kiosks are one of the best ways that I know, in order to help make this process more efficient. That’s a great place to start, is by looking at eliminating the front end time that’s required just to get a patient checked in to the office. That’s a great one to start.
Frank Cohen: 50:40 Also, looking at the patient flow time. Once a patient is there and checks in, how do we resolve issues of too long of a wait time, or not getting enough patients in, overbooking. That’s a place where scheduling works really well. Here’s my approach to it. We actually just finished a project for a large health system up in Michigan.
Frank Cohen: 51:08 It’s something like this, where if you’re not booking patients close enough, you hear that sucking sound? That’s a physician waiting to see a patient. That is huge waste, particularly financially. If you have too many patients booked together, then people leave and you lose revenue that way, as well. Plus, patient satisfaction goes down.
Frank Cohen: 51:30 What we do, is we do the same type of booking algorithms that the airlines use for overbooking. I do an analysis, let’s say for a whole month, and I say, “Which time slots?”
Frank Cohen: 51:42 I break them into four: early morning, late morning, early afternoon, late afternoon. Which time slots have the highest numbers of, let’s say, no-shows. Right? What days have the highest number of no-shows? Then, I schedule my overbooks on those days and times for those providers. If I do it right, only about 5% of the time will I really have an overbook. Again, that’s another great place that you can look at, is in the scheduling, in order to make those improvements.
Frank Cohen: 52:09 Turn around time is another big one. If you’re an ASC or an imaging center, one of the biggest wastes is the amount of time it takes to turn a room around for the next patient. For example, we had one in an ASC, where the room has to be mopped and disinfected. It was about a five minute round trip for the person to go get the mops, and the chemicals, and everything, to do it. Instead, we have a storage closet now centered between those ASCs and we’ve cut about four minutes out of each of those turnaround times.
Frank Cohen: 52:38 If you’re doing 15, 20 procedures a day, that’s two extra patients. There’s a lot of revenue in that. Those are just some examples, Maureen.
Maureen M.: 52:51 Thank you so much, Frank.
Maureen M.: 52:52 Gaynor, I have a question for you. Can you talk a bit more about your project goal of staff flexibility, what you mean by that, and what kind of successes you were able to achieve in that area?
G. Rosenstein: 53:05 Yeah, this is really quite simple in terms of the standard work for rooming guidelines, et cetera. We really focused on the clinical staff for this. Frankly, the front desk staff are standardized anyway. They really weren’t a problem. The clinical staff, especially between specialties, that we needed to do some standard work, in terms of rooming, discharging, appointment making prior to the patient leaving, et cetera.
G. Rosenstein: 53:35 Once we determined the standard work for that and trained everyone, the beauty is when someone goes out, you can flex. You can cover. People can work in different specialties, they can work in different suites, so there’s a lot of flexibility with our staff.
G. Rosenstein: 53:50 Another thing that was really important for us is flexibility of space, same way as staff, where we actually had our … all of our drawers in every one of the exam rooms is portable. We can move the entire drawers out. There’s no upper cabinets. That creates … I can turn one room into a urology room in seconds, just by moving the portable drawers. So, things like that, but the staff really was focused on standard work so that they can cover other physicians when we get call outs, if we have vacancies, really having that flexibility so that our staff can cover other specialties without really struggling.
Maureen M.: 54:33 And Gaynor, is there a plan to roll out Lean to other sites in your organization? I know when they’re not constructed in the Lean way, that might be challenging, but are you using Lean principles to maybe just do Lean projects at your other sites, as well?
G. Rosenstein: 54:55 We do.
G. Rosenstein: 54:56 In terms of creating the overall effect of the Lean buildings and the Legacy buildings, that would require a really huge list on the construction and redesign. There are areas that we’ve put work stations in the actual patient rooms and things like that. We’ve used some of the principles in our Legacy buildings, but to get the overall effect, you almost have to do the … it’s the physical design that’s very, very limited for that.
G. Rosenstein: 55:27 We’ve had some success in expanding some of our Lean principles to our Legacy offices, that unless we really redesign the space, the physical space itself, it’s very limited in what we can do.
Maureen M.: 55:40 Sure.
G. Rosenstein: 55:40 Of course, we do small Lean projects. Those are … these were huge, frankly, multi-million dollar projects that were very exciting and big. We do small Lean projects all the time, just we’re value stream mapping out processes in many areas. I find that they key thing is, like Frank stressed, you’ve got to get the people who the work in the room. You have no idea what’s going on. Unless you ask the people that are actually doing the work, you’re not going to get a really true sense of what your processes really are. It’s quite surprising. It always surprises me what they’re doing to get things done sometimes, is incredible. The work around.
Maureen M.: 56:27 Frank, I’ve got one for you.
Maureen M.: 56:30 This person says, “I work for a small practice, and I’m kind of the whole team. Can I do a project like this myself?”
Frank Cohen: 56:40 Absolutely. Absolutely. Again, start with small stuff. Look at scheduling issues or wait time. I always like to start projects like that. What you can do, for example, is in one week’s time, just take a look at the first patient for every hour of the day, see what time they’re scheduled and what time do they actually get sent back. Just do a wait time analysis. All you’re looking for is to find out what’s the average wait time? Does that wait time increase throughout the day?
Frank Cohen: 57:11 For example, I had a practice where the doctor wanted patients in early. 8:00, he wanted them scheduled. By 10:00, we already got significant wait times. Why? Because the doctor doesn’t show up until 8:30, which is ridiculous if you’re going to try to schedule patients for 8:00. Sometimes, you can fix those problems. In this case, small practice physician owned the practice, what are you going to tell him? Stop doing it or you’re not going to be able to work here anymore?
Frank Cohen: 57:41 If you’re by yourself, pick small projects and just take little bites, one at a time. I could pick a team of 10 people and do a complete through-put analysis in 30 days. Or, I could take one person and do the same through-put analysis in 180 days. It doesn’t matter, because you’re just doing smaller parts as you go through it. Just don’t get discouraged and think that you’ve got to have some big team of people to make these things work. Big projects, big teams, small projects, small teams. It’s basically what it is.
Maureen M.: 58:17 Well, I think that’s all the questions we have time for today. I want to sincerely thank Frank Cohen and Gaynor Rosenstein for their engaging presentations. It was great. Thanks to all of our attendees for joining today’s webinar. Again, you will receive an email with a recording of today’s webinar. You can also access the slides for today’s webinar and other resources in the resources tab. Have a wonderful rest of your day, everyone. Thank you.
Frank Cohen: 58:50 Thank you.
G. Rosenstein: 58:53 Thank you.